CABRERA: “President Trump still harping on the DEI policies this morning, as Yamiche brought us. When you see this administration rolling back diversity initiatives and using DEI as a catch-all culprit for various problems, does that track with the reality you saw when you were ahead of a massive department?”

NAPOLITANO: “No. No. And part of it is that DEI has become a catchphrase for anything bad. If anything is bad, it’s DEI. A helicopter hits a plane going down the Potomac River. Oh, well, that must be DEI. You know, I think the president has a habit of latching on to a few things, and then he just repeats them and repeats them and repeats them. And of course, as we know, repetitiveness leads many people to believe him, which is its own problem. But, you know, a diverse workforce, all that means is that you’re drawing from the strength of all Americans to work in the government, to work in the public service. I don’t know what’s wrong with that.”

CABRERA: “And in the business, for example, there are plenty of data points to show that businesses with more diversity are more successful.”